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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 647

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for the 7th of march 2021 richard

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saunders coming to you from a

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it looks like to be a warm and sunny

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sydney australia

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and my spies in oregon tell me it's

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snowing

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i'm sure you needed to know that my

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other spies in victoria

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tell me it's hot i'm sure you needed to

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know that too

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good day for the beach a good day for

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coffee with friends i think

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i wonder what the temperature is like in

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canada because at the top of the show we

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have a new segment

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you can count on adrian with adrian hill

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adrian hill

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from canada is a math teacher

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and she's going to be starting a new

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series about

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myths concerned with numbers and

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mathematics

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today she's going to be looking at the

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myth or the saying or the idea that

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bad things happen in threes come along

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in threes

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two bad things have happened just wait

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there'll be another one something like

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that

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do bad things really happen in threes

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with adrian hill coming up at the top of

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the show

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can we give a big shout out to our

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friend in the united states

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jennifer hathon who was really the

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inspiration and helped with this story

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enormously thank you jennifer following

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that it's a news item

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about the fears and concerns that

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authorities have about

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the vaccine deniers in this country

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the good old anti-vaxxers and the

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possible action they could take against

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the rollout of vaccines against covert

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19 here in australia

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following that it's the book of tim with

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tim mendem

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and this week tim looks at planets days

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dates and death and this is the final of

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the book of tim for the moment i'll have

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to encourage tim

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to come back to the skeptic's own

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studios and record some more i can

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usually encourage him over with an

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offer of a lunch hmm we'll see what we

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then to round off this week's show it's

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the final

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into the unknown in our trove segment

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the final wrapping up the final summing

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up of the committee

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looking into paranormal claims from 1949

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reported in 1950

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in the uk a slightly shorter than

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average show this week but i hope you'll

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enjoy it nevertheless

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but now it's time for me to run

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and have some peanuts because i can

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you can count on adrian with

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hello everyone today i'm going to be

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looking at the myth

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that bad things happen or come along in

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this myth is widespread even if some

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people don't think too deeply about it

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but i think we can explore just why this

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before i get into this myth please keep

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in the back of your mind that we humans

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let's look at some of the psychology

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there might be something in it even

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something mystical

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bad things happen every day can we

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how bad does a bad thing have to be

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did you run out of coffee this morning

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it's not so bad in the scheme of things

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would disagree would you include that in

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a possible list of bad things that might

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sense as this myth seems to rely

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on more dramatic occurrences that come

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not just you so one day a bad thing

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happens that comes to your attention and

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people at this point will start waiting

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happen who is next

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event say within a week or a bit longer

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happen you may well hear

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friends that bad things happen in threes

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it's a validation of the saying

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that there is a wide definition of bad

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saying along the lines of bad things

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magic number and it is time dependent we

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question and we might not think anything

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that we humans are pattern seeking

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storytelling animals this is called as

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apophenia the tendency to perceive

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meaningful connections between unrelated

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perceived pattern and an easy one for

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saying bad things happen in threes

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magical or superstitious thinking

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these three events must somehow be

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part of us needs to find a reason as

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dealing with the random nature of

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significant events

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somehow does not sit well with us

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pattern seeking and storytelling using

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imagination have served us well for

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ancient ancestors to survive

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and are part of what makes us human we

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they can sidetrack us from reality

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ever wonder why we never hear that good

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events being more important to us

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bad things as they tend to

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make a bigger impact on us

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yes bad things can and do happen in

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threes

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but it is us with our brains full of

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imagination

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hello this is maynard did you know that

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you could listen to the skeptic zone on

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youtube

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also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

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with michelle biggesmar

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and funny sketches with richard saunders

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and a host of other skeptics

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just click on the youtube links on the

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home page at skepticzone.tv

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now here's a news item that caught my

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attention during the week

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published at news.com today you by sarah

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sharples on february the 28th

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covert 19 vaccine roll out anti-vaxxer

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disruption concerns as police make

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watch list police

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are making a list of anti-vaccination

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protesters

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after concerns that they could target

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storage facilities

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and destroy vaccines a specialist

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team of detectives from the australian

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federal police

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is compiling a list of anti-vaccination

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protesters after concerns that

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vaccination centers and storage

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facilities could be targeted as a result

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vaccine storage locations are being kept

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a secret due to security concerns

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quote everybody is concerned about this

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we don't want them destroying

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virals of vaccine a law enforcement

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source told the herald

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sun they will also be ready to attend

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any major security breach

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involving the vaccine there are serious

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fears from senior government figures

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and law enforcement that protesters

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could disrupt the roll out of the

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vaccine as the government aims to have

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every australian vaccinated by october

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reported in the herald sun

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a joint intelligent group made of

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members of the afp that's australian

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federal police

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australian security intelligence

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information australian border force and

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state police forces

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has also been set up by the department

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of home affairs

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it will be staffed around the clock

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and act as a central hub for information

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on the anti-vaccination movement and

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vaccine security

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the afp warned there is an increasing

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of violence from the anti-vaccination

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movement

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in a submission last week to a

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government inquiry into extremist

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movements and radicalism

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in australia quote law enforcement

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experiences in 2020

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identified an emerging trend

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of online extremists exploiting the

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increased public fear

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isolation unemployment family stress and

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financial hardship

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associated with the covert 19 pandemic

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quote it said about 200 people attended

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a rally

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on saturday that would be the previous

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saturday against the rollout of the

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covert 19 vaccine

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at federal health minister greg hunt's

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office in victoria

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now while i don't think there will be

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anything like attacks on vaccine centers

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and things like that

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uh we can't rule that out because these

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people

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are uh zealots extremists

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and they're on a crusade and once a

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group of people consider themselves to

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be on a

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crusade well every precaution

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should be taken again that comes to us

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from news.com today you

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hey everyone this is professor dave i

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want to teach you about all kinds of

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things regarding science i want to tell

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you about

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chemistry biology astronomy

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math and many many more things come

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check me out on youtube the channel is

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called professor dave explains

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take it easy

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and now a reading from the book of tim

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hi my name is tim menden i'm the

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executive officer of australian skeptics

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and editor of our magazine the skeptic

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which you can download off our website

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skeptics.com

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today i'm reading from the what goes

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around column which is the idea that you

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start off with one particular fact and

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you can work your way all the way

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around through various connections and

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end up where you started from

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this one we're looking at planets days

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dates

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and deaths and it comes from the skeptic

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magazine march 2016 which is volume 36

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number one

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on the 20th of january 2016 researchers

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constantine bakken and michael e brown

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at caltech

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which is california technology announced

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calculation-based evidence of a massive

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ninth planet in the solar system now

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don't forget that pluto stopped being a

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planet so

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there was a vacancy the predicted planet

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would have an estimated mass of about 10

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times that of earth

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a highly elliptical audit and could take

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fifteen

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thousand years to orbit the sun the

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existence of the so-called planet nine

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is still hypothetical but its presence

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would explain the unusual orbital

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configuration

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of a group of trans-neptunian objects

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that orbit mostly

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beyond the cuipa belt which is way out

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there

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in their paper barrigin and brown simply

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referred to the object

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as perturber and only in later press

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releases did they use the nickname

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planet nine it will not be officially

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named

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until its existence has been confirmed

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with images

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planet nine is not the only planet with

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naming issues when hanover born

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william herschel along with his sister

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caroline

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moved to england and started their

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astronomical studies

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he came under the patronage of a fellow

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hanoverian

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the elector who happened to also be king

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george iii of britain

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in 1781 when herschel discovered a new

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planet

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beyond the orbit of saturn his first

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thought was to name it

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georgium cetus which means george's star

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after his patron understandably this was

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not supported by

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various foreign astronomers and

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presumably by citizens

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of the newly independent usa who were

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not all that fond of george iii

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and it was almost 70 years before the

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name uranus

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was proposed name of the planet that you

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have trouble pronouncing

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any which way you can but never mind

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we'll call it uranus

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william herschel's son sir john

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frederick william herschel who's the

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first

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baronet was an english polymath

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mathematician astronomer

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chemist inventor and experimental

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photographer

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who also did valuable botanical work

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what you call a renaissance man he named

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seven moons of saturn and four moons of

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uranus

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he made many contributions to the

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science of photography

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and investigated color blindness and the

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chemical power of ultraviolet rays

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his preliminary discourse in 1831 which

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advocated an inductive approach to

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scientific experiment

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and theory building was an important

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contribution to the philosophy of

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science

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and he originated the use of the julian

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day system in astronomy

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the julian day is the continuous count

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of days since the beginning of the

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julian period

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used primarily by astronomers outside of

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astronomy

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the term julian date may also refer to

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the date hyphen of hyphen year day of

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year number

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more properly the ordinal date in the

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gregorian calendar

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the most widely used civil calendar it

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was named for pope gregory

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the 13th who introduced it in 1582.

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this was a refinement of the earlier

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julian calendar

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which due to inadequate calculations of

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the length of the year

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was falling out of sync with reality now

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that was named after julius caesar so

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you can see it was a long long time ago

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the motivation for the change was to

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bring the date for the celebration of

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easter

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to the time of year in which it was

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celebrated when it was introduced by the

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early church

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when the new growing calendar was put in

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use the difference was corrected

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by the deletion of ten days they

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actually disappeared

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the julian calendar day thursday the

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fourth of october 1582

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was followed by the first day of the

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gregorian calendar friday

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the 15th of october 1582

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which would be bad if you happen to be

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born in between those days because you

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didn't have a birthday

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the reform was adopted initially by the

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catholic countries of europe

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but many protestant countries fear the

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new calendar was part of a plot

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to return them to the catholic fault

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britain and the british empire including

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the eastern part of what is now the

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united states

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adopted the gregorian calendar in 1752

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that's almost 200 years later

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and they were followed by sweden in 1753

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the last european country to adopt the

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reform was greece

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in 1923.

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despite the artificial nature of any

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calendar dating systems have led to

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fears of conspiracy and disaster

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the phantom time hypothesis is a

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conspiracy theory advanced by german

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historian and publisher

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herbert elig was born in 1947

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which proposes that the anno domini

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dating system was fabricated

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adding in the period of phantom time in

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the early middle ages

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from a.d 614 to 911

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which either occurred in a different

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period or did not occur

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at all another dodgy issue for dates is

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the end of the world on december 21 2012

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as calculated in the mayan calendar one

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suggested scenario for the end

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was a planet colliding with earth the

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planet

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called nibiru is the supposed but

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debunked planet x

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however with the dimension of pluto in

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2016

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this world should now be called planet

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nine

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and that's the name of the planet they

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discovered in 2016

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supposedly

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and that's the what goes around column

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from the skeptic march 2016

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volume 36 number one which you can

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download from the skeptics website

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and now after all these weeks

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after something like 10 weeks it's time

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to wrap up our series

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into the unknown from the trove archives

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this has been an investigation conducted

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in 1949

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reported on in 1950 as you will recall

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the panel of experts way back then

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were investigating many so-called

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mystics and clairvoyance and

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spiritualists and so on

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the encounters reported in our series

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concerned people who claim to

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what we would call channel disembodied

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and over the last couple of weeks we've

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heard the summing up of some of the

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panel members

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this week we conclude with the summing

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up from

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canon knight and lag

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and it says at the top of the page here

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which happens to be page number

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five in the color supplement

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published on the 8th of october

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[Music]

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spiritualism a fact

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or fake experts tell of their

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investigation

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[Music]

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so let's pick it up now with canon

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[Music]

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there is a great deal more to be

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discovered about the mind and man

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and the way in which mind speaks to mind

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we are not entirely shut into the

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methods of the five senses

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there are people who can some accuracy

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with

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some error read the minds of others

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they know what is in some other person's

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mind

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when that other person has told them

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nothing

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they may be able to bridge distance and

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know of an

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event which has happened far away

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many long married people know the

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experience when one partner refers to

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a subject and the other says it's funny

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you should mention that

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i was just thinking about that too how

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often does one receive a letter from a

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distant friend

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which crosses one which has been just

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written to him

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each was thinking of the other and each

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was led to right

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finally what are we to say about the

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possibility that the dead are

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communicating with us the christian is

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fully convinced that he

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is surrounded with a great cloud of

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witnesses

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and that he and they are bound together

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by mutual love

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although sundered by death he believes

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that they are near him

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and with him and that they still love

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and help him

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only a weak faith could ask for more

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and i'll chime in here and say if i had

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that mythical time machine

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i could go back and have a word to canon

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knight about

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what brian dunning calls the law of very

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large numbers

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or remembering the hits and forgetting

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the misses or

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confirmation bias where he talks about

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things like uh

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how often do you mention something in

676
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your partner says i was just thinking

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about that too or letters

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it happened across the in those days

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hardly

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remarkable events and a more modern

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example

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uh we don't hear much about anymore is i

683
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was thinking about somebody in the phone

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rang and

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i picked it up and it was them let's

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read on and it seems to me

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it is those who are weak in their faith

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who turn to spiritualism as a cult

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and choose it rather than the christian

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religion

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it is difficult to state precisely what

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happens when people say

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that the dead are speaking to them

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through a sensitive

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in all recent sittings one felt that

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there was

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no fact stated by the medium which was

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not already in the mind of the person

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who was

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addressed and i'll break in once again

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now throughout these reports we've seen

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examples of the panel

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firmly convinced that telepathy is real

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and they're just sort of really

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questioning spiritualism

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which is bizarre so every time something

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comes up which they can't quite explain

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they will just write it off as oh he was

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reading my mind

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or something like that let's read on

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scientifically rigid tests were not

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employed

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so that if there was any artifice it was

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impossible to prove it

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it must be a terrific temptation to

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sensitives to

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produce some results and the amount of

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phishing

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for names and information which goes on

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means that the

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sensitive can have no access to

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supernormal

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information let me break in once again

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oh can knight you suspect something like

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cold reading

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where you say fishing for names and

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information

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although you didn't have a term for it

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hmm

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okay let's continue whenever sensitives

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ventured on theological or religious

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territory

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there was no sign at all that they had

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anything fresh to say

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and in most cases what they said was

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burial and feeble it was all centered on

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the comfort

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and happiness of man rather than on the

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obligation of

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man to his maker the whole level was

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far below the tone and challenge of the

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christian gospel

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for my own part i ended my course of

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contact with the mediums

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we saw with a less kindly view than i

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had

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when i began evidently it is rather like

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vaccination

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a little of it cures one of catching the

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whole thing

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i felt that the evidences of psychic

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facts were interesting

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and that there is much room for careful

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study of the phenomena

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insofar as they help us to know more of

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human personality

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and may help to bridge some gaps for

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example

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as between science and christianity

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but i do not find any evidence of

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contact

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with departed spirits i do not find that

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any

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so-called communications from the dead

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have in

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any way illuminated either my reason

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or my spirit the fact that the

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sensitives have to

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abdicate their own personality in order

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to become channels

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for these communications offends my

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sense of dignity

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of reason and the honor due to

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individual

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souls

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[Music]

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thank you canon knight for that

778
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:39,440
interesting summing up

779
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and almost stumbling upon

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the truth however it was also

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seen through the perspective of his

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particular

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religious opinions

784
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and now finally we come to the summing

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up of l.a.g strong

786
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who is listed here as novelist essayist

787
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and journalist

788
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he is perhaps best known for his popular

789
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work in fiction and films

790
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strong is keenly interested in the

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spiritual

792
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and interest which frequently finds

793
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,279
expression in his writings

794
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:22,240
i believe that the dead can and do

795
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communicate

796
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:25,600
with us my faith is based on what i

797
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,880
honestly believe to be my own experience

798
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:31,039
fortified immensely by the experience of

799
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people who might trust

800
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,399
if certain things have not happened to

801
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,799
me then there is nothing in the whole

802
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,120
universe of which i can be sure

803
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,760
but i cannot accept the hypothesis that

804
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:43,440
all phenomena coming

805
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:47,360
within the domain of psychic research

806
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,360
are the work of discarnate spirits

807
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:54,240
and that these phenomena therefore offer

808
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,600
evidence of survival

809
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,159
let me put the matter in the simplest

810
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,159
most personal terms

811
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,480
if i believe because of a personal

812
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:03,840
experience

813
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:06,880
that a dead friend has spoken to me

814
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:10,159
i do not go about asserting that this is

815
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:10,960
so

816
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:13,760
much less do i assert on the basis of my

817
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,559
experience

818
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:17,279
the general proposition that the dead

819
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:18,480
speak to us

820
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:22,240
if you in perplexity distress or grief

821
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:25,360
ask me man to man what i believe i may

822
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:26,960
well decide to tell you

823
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,679
but i cannot assert that what i believe

824
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:31,679
to have happened to me

825
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,720
is a scientific fact i cannot ask

826
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,559
anyone to accept survival and

827
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:38,399
communication as facts

828
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,440
because i say they are i can merely say

829
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:43,120
that i believe these things

830
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:46,720
to be true and give my reasons

831
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,399
but says the convinced spiritualist

832
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:53,360
if you believe these things to be true

833
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:54,880
why do you doubt

834
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:58,000
our evidence of their truth why do you

835
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:58,960
bother to

836
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,440
scrutinize it why do you go out of your

837
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,519
way to explain it by telepathy

838
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:05,600
clairvoyance and so forth

839
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:08,799
why do you fight against us to this

840
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,440
i have several replies the first and

841
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:13,919
most important is that no scrutiny can

842
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:15,600
ever hurt the truth

843
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,880
what is truth will stand no matter who

844
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:20,240
investigates it

845
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,480
the second is that by offering as

846
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,640
evidence of survival a whole host of

847
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:25,760
happenings that are

848
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:28,480
vulnerable to scrutiny and can be

849
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:29,440
explained

850
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:32,720
and even in some cases imitated on lines

851
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:33,600
that do not

852
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:36,399
transcend known laws the spiritualists

853
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:39,519
delay the acceptance of the very truth

854
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:43,360
they proclaim and so involuntarily

855
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:46,880
become its worst opponents

856
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,840
it is because i believe in survival and

857
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,039
in the power of

858
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,600
discarnate spirits to make contact with

859
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:55,279
those still on earth

860
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,399
that i examine to the best of my ability

861
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:01,440
everything which comes my way that seems

862
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,080
to bear

863
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:04,799
upon these matters the interrogation of

864
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:05,760
faith and reason

865
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:08,079
is perhaps the main task of those who

866
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:09,280
have been

867
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endowed with the capacity to think

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and to believe we are

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charged to make sense of all our

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00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:20,000
experience

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00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:23,679
our temptation is to make sense only of

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00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,480
a part

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00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:27,520
or more deadly still

874
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,480
to exclude or deny what will not fit

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00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:31,919
into our scheme

876
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:35,359
the apostle thomas was not a skeptic

877
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:38,720
let me break in here i had a colleague

878
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,359
once who

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00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:42,480
said in public meetings that of course

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00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:42,879
the

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00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:46,639
after all

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said thomas is our patron saint and

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00:34:53,070 --> 00:34:52,000
half the audience would get it and laugh

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00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:53,080
wouldn't

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00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:54,560
[Laughter]

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00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,760
the apostle thomas was not a skeptic we

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00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,720
read on

888
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:01,200
the apostle thomas was not a skeptic he

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00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:02,000
was going

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00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,079
to spend the rest of his life in telling

891
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:06,079
people that a thing had happened

892
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:09,599
and for their sake as well as to his own

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00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,800
he wanted evidence the few seances which

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00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,920
i attended

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00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,599
offered considerable evidence of

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00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:17,119
telepathy and

897
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:20,320
clairvoyance but none that i could see

898
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,440
of survival or of the work of spirits

899
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:25,760
my conclusion was that the mediums whom

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00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:26,480
i saw

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00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,960
were honest in their belief that what

902
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,640
they said was given to them by

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00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,560
discarnate spirits

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00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:34,400
they themselves did not seem in any

905
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,839
point conclusively

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00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,160
to originate what they had said but

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00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:40,800
there was no evidence of outside agency

908
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,640
nothing was said that could not have

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00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:44,240
been picked up by

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00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:48,030
ordinary telepathy or clairvoyance

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00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:49,359
[Music]

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00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,440
what a marathon effort my dear listeners

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you've stuck with this

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00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:03,520
fascinating report from the 1950s

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00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:06,800
over the last 10 weeks and there i

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think in the final paragraph from l

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a g strong

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00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,640
really sums up the attitude of the

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investigating panel now

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they investigated many instances of

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00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:24,560
seances and other things that we don't

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00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:24,880
have

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00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,920
access to there was only selective cases

924
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,119
reported here

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00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:31,839
during the course of the last 10 weeks

926
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:32,480
but that

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00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,000
final paragraph and the final line

928
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,400
really sums up the mindset of those

929
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:40,320
people conducting the

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00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:43,760
investigations nothing was said

931
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:46,640
that could not have been picked up by

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00:36:50,140 --> 00:36:47,599
ordinary

933
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:50,150
telepathy or clairvoyance

934
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,280
[Music]

935
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:53,520
now if you conduct an investigation into

936
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,880
matters of the paranormal and the

937
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:55,839
supernatural

938
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:58,640
with that mindset it's not really going

939
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,359
to be very helpful

940
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,960
now of course the criticism labeled

941
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,560
skeptics like me who conducted

942
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:06,720
investigations is that we go in

943
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,920
with a particular mindset that is of

944
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:11,760
this doesn't work i'm going to prove it

945
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:14,400
doesn't work or something like that

946
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,760
and the answer to that which i've given

947
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:19,359
many times over the years in press

948
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:20,960
interviews and whatever

949
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:22,440
is that of course i've got my

950
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,680
preconceived notions everybody does

951
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,119
and after 20 years of these

952
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,119
investigations myself and

953
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,200
and 50 plus years generally in the

954
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:32,800
skeptical community and there's

955
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:36,160
been no results of course we've got

956
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,119
preconceived

957
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,000
notions but it doesn't mean that we

958
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,839
don't go into investigations with an

959
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,040
open mind

960
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,160
and give the claimant or the person

961
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:47,839
making the claims

962
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,440
every opportunity fair chance to show

963
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:53,119
what they say they can do they can

964
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,090
actually do

965
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,359
[Music]

966
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,000
and that was into the unknown a long

967
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,680
series of reports

968
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,920
and comments from the investigating

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00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:05,040
panel

970
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:08,320
way back in 1950 published in the color

971
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:08,960
magazine

972
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:12,320
sunday sun supplement and i will link

973
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:15,040
to this particular part in this week's

974
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:16,880
show notes so you can read the

975
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:20,160
conclusion for yourself and

976
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:23,200
next week in the trove segment

977
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:31,910
we will be looking at biorhythms

978
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,790
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:50,160
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00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,760
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00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,760
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00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,560
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00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,520
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00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,800
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1003
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1004
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,760
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00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:41,440
saunders signing off from

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00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,880
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00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:21,200
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00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,359
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1023
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skeptics or any other

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00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,190
hello to the afterthoughts the people

1025
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,680
who keep listening after the music

1026
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:48,240
and if you don't know what all this is

1027
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,040
about

1028
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,599
this is where i play the dice game i'll

1029
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,920
roll the d6 this week

1030
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:56,079
three times and you use whatever power

1031
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,760
you like

1032
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,319
i know i know a surefire way what you do

1033
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:02,000
is you listen to the segment rewind and

1034
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:03,280
listen to it again then you're sure to

1035
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,640
get every number correct i'm going to

1036
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:06,960
roll this three times

1037
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:10,000
and maybe four who knows and

1038
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,319
you see how many you can get right

1039
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,480
a d6 so it's one two three four five or

1040
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:18,319
six in my

1041
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:21,440
dice rolling box here first number

1042
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:22,319
coming up

1043
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:23,850
here it comes

1044
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,550
four oh it sort of

1045
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:32,720
was spinning around in the box there

1046
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:33,760
first number is

1047
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:38,160
four this week okay next number

1048
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:46,150
two

1049
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,390
write that down and the third number

1050
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,480
last number for this week well the last

1051
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,079
in the series of three there might be

1052
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:54,079
another one

1053
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:01,349
six hmm

1054
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,560
all the evens this week four two and six

1055
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,640
with the supplementary number

1056
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,839
this is where you if you get the

1057
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,440
supplementary number and two correct

1058
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,200
numbers you get um

1059
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:13,200
um you get to listen to the show again

1060
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,400
next week i don't know here we go the

1061
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:16,480
last one

1062
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:19,359
five so the numbers this week to recap

1063
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:20,000
four